Below is a document that a certain group of serpents put out to help their believers reply to hard questions about their lack of faith in the preserved word of our Heavenly Father. This document shows the verses they quote to prove their point that, specifically, the 1611 King James (Authorized Version) of the Holy Bible is somehow being changed as a Mandella Effect.
My notes are below in BOLD CRIMSON, the rest of the Document in black, is the original grammar, spelling and punctuation.
Objection: “The Bible can’t change because God preserves His word
Answer #1) Yes but WHERE does God promise he will preserve it? It turns out that the scriptures clearly tech that preservation of the word will be stored in the hearts of God’s people and not on the pages of a book.
Perthaps first you should define WHAT is being written on mens hearts?
- Promises that include WHERE it will be preserved
- Jeremiah 31:33, “…I will put my LAW in their inward hearts..”
- Hebrews 8:10, “…put my LAWS into their mind, and write them in their hearts”
- Hebrews 10:16, “…I will put my LAWS into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them…”
- 2nd Cor 3:3 This is about epistles of commendation/worthiness to speak as a Disciple, the acceptance of them comes from the heart, proof from Christ of their authority to teach and preach, relying not a written epistle. This is also once more LAW language, Verse 6 plainly states: “made us able ministers of the new testament, not of the letter (MEANING OLD LAW), but of the spirit; for the letter (of the law) killeth, but the spirit giveth life” and Verse 14 “…the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament” – Verse 15 “…but even unto this day, when moses is READ, the vail is upon their heart”
- Psalms 119:89 “Forever, O LORD, thy word settled in heaven”, read the verses above and below and you’ll see this is about LAW, Precepts and testimonies which are always synonymous with the LAW of GOD and his commandments. This whole chapter is about remembering and loving the LAW of GOD. Verse 109 and especially 110 specifically speak of LAW and Precepts, as does the whole chapter.
- Promises that DO NOT include WHERE it will be preserved
- Isaiah 40:8, Prophetic words proclaiming JESUS (verse 3, 5, 10 and 11), in this case, the “word” refers both to the LAW and the coming of Christ, the perfection of and replacement for the written LAW of Moses. This entire chapter has zero to do with written scripture.
- Isaiah 55:11, This verse is about the coming of Christ, and his mission will not return void. This has nothing to do with written scripture.
- Psalm 12:6, Where? “The words of the LORD are pure words; as silver tried in a furnace of EARTH, purified seven times.” - This verse is literally describing the KJV, the 7th version Perfected in ENGLISH for US, NOW, in this LittleSeason.
- Psalm 119:89, Once again, this entire chapter is about LAW, Testimonies, walk in his ways, precepts, statues, commandments, righteous Judgements…his LAW and his SON settled in Heaven. Ok, So what?
- Proverbs 30:5, “Every word of GOD is pure…” Yep, including the written scripture, the Law and ALL of GODs words. I trust that he has protected the only Book of scripture he has given us. This whole chapter is about the authority of GOD and seeking understanding of his ways. Verse 4 right above it asks the very questions that can only come from the hearing or reading of SCRIPTURE; “…who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?” – We don’t get these answers from the spirit dwelling within, we get THESE truths from SCRIPTURE. The spirit dwelling within is the comforter, the helper, the teacher…but it doesn’t just put the name of GOD or JESUS into our hearts without hearing or READING scripture. Verse 6 condemns this whole fallacy; “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar”.
- Matthew 5:18, The LAW is GODs rules for our behavior on earth. The LAW is written on our hearts, not the entirety of Scripture. This verse and verse 19 that follows, are about the LAW, not the Bible.
- Matthew 24:35, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away”. That includes ALL of GODs Words. Jesus, his LAW, his Precepts, his Testimonies (mostly found in the Bible)…so is the Bible GODS words or not? Is it not written?
- John 10:35, “…scripture cannot be broken…” Jesus knew the LAW AND what was written in SCRIPTURE…these verses attest. “Is it not written” is said by Jesus RIGHT ABOVE IT IN VERSE 34!
- John 17:17, “Sanctify them through they truth: thy word is truth.” This whole chapter is about Jesus being sent by GOD to deliver GODS words…both himself as sacrifice and of the things he taught/preached, which have been WRITTEN in scripture, for us, else we would not know of these things.
- 2 Timothy 3:16-17, “All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD…”. Definition of SCRIP'TURE, noun [Latin scriptura, from scribo, to write.]
1. In its primary sense, a writing; any thing written.
2. Appropriately, and by way of distinction, the books of the Old and New Testament; the Bible. The word is used either in the singular or plural number, to denote the sacred writings or divine oracles, called sacred or holy, as proceeding from God and containing sacred doctrines and precepts. - Revelation 22:18-19 What is “this book”? In this case, the words “book” refer to the literal book of Revelation, but if you want to say it’s the entirety of the Bible, then the word Scripture can then be substituted for “book”. Either way, this verse says to keep the sayings of this book, written scripture.
CONCLUSION: There are no scriptures that teach that the word will be preserved on the pages of a book. Instead, it clearly teaches that the word will be preserved in the hearts of His people. 2nd Cor 3:3 even teaches that preservation will be “not on tablets of stone” & “not with ink.” God’s chosen storage medium is you! Don’t reject this idea because of how impractical it would be. Read your Bible and refute it from scripture. I’m giving you sound doctrine, we are no longer interested in responding to decrees from religious demi Gods.
CONCLUSION: Thus far, zero “sound doctrine” found. The scriptures listed above quote and rely one upon the other, precept upon precept. We must define “what” is being written onto mens hearts…the listed scriptures above mostly point directly to the LAW. Moses was given tables written in GODs own Finger, of the LAW of his COMMANDMENTS. THAT is what is written in mens hearts, not the entirety of scripture. The Bible is the assembled scripture, songs, prophecies, Laws, WORDS and character of GOD as well as the History of his creation. REAL CONCLUSION: Without a Bible, we would have none of that to read, study and therewith shew ourselves approved.
Objection: “The Bible can’t change because God preserves His word.”
Answer #1)
It is assumed that the term “Bible,” “scripture” and “word” all mean the same thing, but is that true? Here are three (3) passages that clearly teach that the term word is pointing to the person of Christ and not the earthly manuscript.. And if the term “word” does mean your Bible or the scriptures, then the preservation promise may not be promising to preserve the Bible.
Immediate Fallacy: Bible, Scripture and Word do NOT always mean the same thing. Jesus is THE WORD, a title, an authority. The LAW and COMMANDMENTS are also GODs WORD, WRITTEN in his own finger upon the tables. The Bible is a collection of WRITTEN SCRIPTURE, which Jesus oft quoted. Finally, sometimes the word “Word” literally just means word, take the Bibles word for it, it’s full of them.
- John 1:1
- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Yes, this is but ONE of Jesus many titles, such as BRANCH, ROOT, the AMEN, ARM of the LORD, RIGHT HAND, AUTHOR, DOOR, LAMB, ROCK. Will we assume every use of these words in the Bible is always referencing Jesus?
- Would you agree that John 1:1 defines the term word as “God” and therefore cannot be interpreted to mean the physical Bible? Because if it was, John 1:1 would say, "And the scripture was God." Can you hold up your KJV Bible and say “I hold in my hand, God” In this instance the verse is CLEARLY talking about King Jesus and is NOT talking about written text or a Physical Bible. Can you cut down a tree and remove it’s Jesuses? (Branches). Weak, ineffectual and disingenuous twisting of phrases and use of language.
- Revelation 19:13
- "He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God." Nobody denies that Jesus is called THE WORD.
- Here’s another New Testament passage that is clearly defining the term word as something other than your physical Bible.
- Hebrews 4:12: "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Yes, GOD/Jesus know our thoughts and hearts and intention. Behold: Hebrews 4:2 “For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them, but the WORD did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it”. So the WORD (GODS WORDS) was preached and did not profit the unbeliever. Context of chapter 4 helps us understand in this case, “word” referred to the preached coming of the Kingdom and King Jesus the Judge, not necessarily Jesus himself, though based on the judgement language of verse 12, it certainly can mean Jesus as a secondary meaning.
- Revelation 2:23: "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." This has nothing to do with written scripture. Obviously God/Jesus knows our hearts and do judge righteously. Pointless as any kind of argument.
- Hebrews 4:12 tells us the “the word” is a dicerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." And Revelation 2:23 tells us that Jesus searches the heats and reigns. This is yet another passage that clearly indicates that the term word is a person and not a book. Nay.
CONCLUSION - The term “Word” clearly does not always mean your KJB Bible in English. It is describing something much more profound. Therefore, God’s promises to preserve His “Word” should not always be taken as a promise to preserve the physical scriptures or the Bible. Correct. The use of the word “Word” in the Bible refers to many things; often GODs Commandments (LAW), Precepts and Testimonies (Written SCRIPTURE) and later, it came to typify Jesus, the replacement of the LAW of Moses. The LAW was written on mens hearts as the stone tables obviously did not suffice. The Bible never claims that GOD will write the entirety of HIS words in our heart, but it does claim to write the LAW into our hearts. The scriptures are completely separate in these instances. We are told to study Scripture to show ourselves approved.
We do not read;
- “Heaven and earth will pass away but my Bible will not pass away.”
- “Thy scripture is forever settled in heaven”
- The flower fades the grass withers but the Bible remains forever
Correct, We do not read it that way, because most of us have proper reading comprehension skills and discernment. We are also not trying to twist scripture into doctrines of devils and sow chaos and confusion. We also read the entire chapter or entire book for proper context.
So, if there is no promise to preserve the Bible, please stop saying “my Bible can’t change because God preserves His word.” This is a un- researched, superficial word salad that is based on a reckless disregarding for semantics. Semantics are exactly the deceptive tactic being used in this heretical document (and poor grammar). GOD wrote his LAW in our hearts (not scripture) and has promised to preserve his WORDS, whether they be his only begotten son, his inspired scripture, testimonies, precepts or histories…you know, the BIBLE.
Objection: “You are confused by versions” You are confused by Pride/Arrogance.
Answer #1) How could we be confused by versions if many of the changes are in every version – The KJV is the only one that matters, all other versions after 1611 can absolutely go burn in the lake of fire.
- Answer #2) Version confusion doesn’t address the 22 other types of Bible changes that have nothing to do with memory
- Names with eighteen letters, so what?
- word switches, Give KJV examples!
- new countries introduced, Give KJV examples!
- missing words, Give KJV examples!
- altered names, Give KJV examples!
- spelling, Like you have room to talk, this document sucks.
- grammar, Like you have room to talk, this document sucks.
- and syntax errors, Like you have room to talk, this document sucks.
- changed stories Give KJV examples!
- and new stories, Give KJV examples!
- biblical paradoxes, Nay! But Give KJV examples!
- cut-and-paste duplicates, Give KJV examples!
- ebonics, Seriously? Nay! But do Give KJV examples!
- emojis, Dumb. But once again, Give KJV examples!
- gibberish, Much like this Document. But please, Give KJV examples!
- and nonsense verses, Give KJV examples!
- duplicated words, Give KJV examples!
- massive run-on sentences, Give KJV examples!
- modern words, Give KJV examples!
- random capitalization and italics, Give KJV examples!
- blasphemy, Give KJV examples! The Clay should not question the Potter.
- sexual innuendo, NAY! But Give KJV examples!
- ungodly themes. NAY! But Give KJV examples!
- Answer #3) If we we’re confused by versions we all wouldn’t all be misremembering the same way, but we are. Fallacy that anyone would misremember anything based on any set of circumstances. This is the logic of a child.
- Answer #4) The poor memory hypothesis does not address the mountain of doctrinal paradoxes that now appear in both old and New testaments in every version. Oh but it does, you just refuse to see plain explanations.
- 2 Kings 18:27 – People drinking their own piss and eating their own dung, Always been there my guy. Are you judging the Potter?
- Luke 19:27 –
Jihad Jesusslaying any who refuses to follow Him, SO DUMB! The last verse of this parable is the NOBLEMAN who sayeth these things and that was the end of the parable. A shadow of Jesus coming in Judgement 40 years later. - Isaiah 8:3 – Isaiah the prophet engaging in fornication with a prostitute, “And I went unto the PROPHETESS; and she conceived…”
- Mark 8:23 – Jesus spitting in people's faces to heal them, the clay does not question the Potter, Jesus may heal how he chooses.
- Leviticus 4:32 – Sacrificing female sheep, Verse 22 – A ruler is to sacrifice a male GOAT for sin offering and in Verse 27 common people are commanded to offer a female GOAT. In verse 32 they are commanded that if a Lamb is brought for a sin offering, it is to be a female without blemish. Will you question the offerings the LORD requires? Are your ways better than the LORD?
- 2 Corinthians 11:8 – Paul robbing churches, he “robbed” them of his time/service that he could be of (extra) service to the Corinthians at the expense of his serving in other congregations. Do you even have reading comprehension?? In this very same chapter: Verse 3 - “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtility, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”
- Isaiah 60:16 – Sucking the breasts of kings, This whole chapter is about Mount Zion and the beloved City as well as the nations who serve and bring bounty and hobor in. The CITY and her blessed land shall enjoy the milk of the gentiles, and suck the breasts of kings, this is not a person.
- Psalm 137:9 – Smashing babies against rocks makes you happy, Verse 8 – “O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed, happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.” Verse 9 – “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones”. This is GODs righteous judgement on Babylon and Edom who rejoiced over Jerusalem’s defeat. Will you the clay, once more question the potters judgement?
- Luke 18:15 – Jesus touching babies, laying on of hands anyone?
- Ezekiel 23:20 – Genitals like donkeys and emissions like horses, Verse 19 – “Yet she multiplied her whoredoms…” Verse 20 – “For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses…” Yep, Evil Whoredoms are evil. What is your point?
- Zechariah 5:9 – Female angels or women with wings, Bible doesn’t call them angels. These 2 women were a vision of evil. What is your point again? Is the clay questioning the Potter again?
- Mark 14:51-52, John 21:7 – Streaking (Running naked), People fished naked on their boats in the open water, especially if it was hot, just because someone ran naked (probably demon possessed like the naked man “Legion” in the tombs) and left his cloth means absolutely nothing. The bible uses the word “naked” 47 times in 45 verses. In Isaiah 20:2 “…put off they shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.” Soooo what??
- Exodus 12:23 – God Himself is killing the firstborn of Egypt, GODS Righteous Judgement and a shadow/ensample of the Great and Terrible day of the Lord. Once again, are you judging GODs righteous Judgement? Perhaps you need reminded of this Verse: Romans 9:21– “Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” GODs righteous Judgement of Egypt is not open for your debate.
- 2 Corinthians 11:4 – False teachers are to be tolerated Paul is admonishing the Corinthians as he has fear that they have lost their original faith and take offense at his “rude language”. Because they are grasping their pearls over his wording, he is afraid that if a false preacher came unto them, that they may as well keep him, as they do not seem to listen to Paul. He is speaking in sarcasm and admonishment. READING COMPREHENSION!!!
- Answer #5) Don’t you know your Bible? This document already proves you don’t
- If “Jesus wept” was changed to “Jesus cried” in a few modern versions, would that be enough to trick you into thinking that all versions always said “Jesus cried.” Obviously, it has deceived you. John 11:35 “Jesus wept.” Still faithful in the KJV, modern versions can all burn.
- Objection: You are raising your memories above the authority of scripture. Among many other things, pride, arrogance etc…
Answer: No, you are raising man’s opinion above the authority of scripture. My “opinion” is that Scripture, specifically the KJV is meet and meat for us now, in English, in this LittleSeason. My other Biblically based opinion is that this document is garbage and your theories are all heresy.
- Answer #1) You're teaching as doctrine, the traditions of man by embracing theological necessity. Can you explain what Theological necessity is because it’s the foundation of the doctrine of preservation?
- Theological necessity teaches; Because God inspired the word or because God went to so much trouble to give us His word, of course He’s going to preserve it. But is that a doctrine? The 10 commandments is a doctrine. Theological necessity is wishful thinking. The 10 commandments are the LAW, the LAW is the only thing the Bible promised to write on the hearts of man, GODs WORDS shall never pass away. Scripture is of GOD, those are his WORDS. Those too he will protect
Objection: You’re confused by misquotes from pop culture, songs, poems and movies Among many things art thou confused.
Answer #1) If someone on Facebook posted there is no God, would you suddenly and without even realizing it, become an atheist Nay. This is dumb.
Answer #2) So what if I see a misquote on Facebook, don’t you know your Bible? Nay, this is even dumber.
Answer #3) If everyone is misremembering the same way, and that is being caused by misquotes from pop culture, would you agree that there must only be one misquote for each of the 15-20 scriptures that everyone seems to be misremembering the same way? Nay. Still dumb. Do you have any evidence to support that there is only 1 misquote in the entire world for 15 different passages.
Answer #4) Can you provide matching evidence for the 16 questions from our online quiz that show corresponding misquotes from pop culture that consistently appear across all major social media platforms (YouTube, Rumble, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit) simultaneously enough to affect such widespread and consistent changes in the memories of all pastors across all age groups, ethnicities and nationalities? Gobbley Gook. This is such nonsense.
Answer #5) What is your expectation if you asked 10 seasoned commercial airline pilots to identify the names of 10 of their cockpit instruments? What is your expectation if you asked 10 seasoned doctors 10 simple anatomy questions? What is your expectation if you asked 10 KJV only seasoned pastors 10 simple KJV Bible quiz questions. Of course, everyone would expect that the pastors would also get all 10 memory question correct but you can watch pastor after pastor get all 10 wrong, how is that possible? If you asked 10 application developers to hand-write 10 lines of code without source examples, would it compile?
Answer #6) Considering that pastors spend an average of 3 hours a day exposed to the correct rendering of these 16 passages, why would occasional misquotes from social media or movies have a stronger influence on their long-term memory than all the correct influences? Why would one periodic influence be stronger than 7 repeated influences? Fallacy. Pastors are regurgitators of Seminary indoctrination and are NOT experts in anything. The Hymn “Peace in the Valley” has already confused enough people for over 87 years.
Answer #7) How do you account for the fact that pastors actively engage in critical thinking when being exposed to alleged misquotes and would immediately recognize errors in a song, a movie or print, and would not only not subconsciously adopt them and allow them to overright their long term memory, but they would easily reject them for what they are; misquotes. Another Fallacy. Pastors write sermons based on their seminary indoctrination. They reuse sermons over and over, their wives often write their sermons. In today’s age they just let AI write them or they plagiarize other weak ineffectual pastors.
Answer #8) Given the diversity of cultural contexts and access to media worldwide, how would misquotes from a limited number of sources manage to uniformly alter the memory of an untold number of people across different regions and backgrounds? Given how weak and asinine the theories of this document are, it’s safe to say plain old ignorance of scripture, pride, arrogance, poor memory and a desire to be contrary instead of reading the scripture and LEARNING it, they’d rather chase mandela and his effects.
Answer #9) Would you agree that God has preserved His word in relation to the pagan who has no access to any scripture whatsoever? If yes, then would you agree that God can preserve His word while simultaneously rendering it inaccessible? Knowing that there is a “god” or a “creator” and “being a good person” is not the same as READING, STUDYING and understanding Scripture.
2 Timothy Chapter 2
2:14 - "Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers."
2:15 - "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
2:16 - "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
2:23 - “But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.”
Titus 3:0 - “But avoid foolish questions and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.”
Romans 16:17 – “Now I beseech. You, brethren, MARK them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and AVOID them.
